tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post1574040599528840308..comments2023-06-01T09:10:34.545-04:00Comments on ...In Transition: Anglican AngstRev. Maureen Frescotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02307605570850598451noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-10377464733701784122007-03-05T14:05:00.000-05:002007-03-05T14:05:00.000-05:00"...some people actually believe that what you and..."...some people actually believe that what you and I are doing right now will be the cause of civilization's downfall."<BR/><BR/>Yeah! As Pig-Pen said in the Charlie Brown Christmas Special: "Sort of makes you want to treat me with more respect, doesn't it?"<BR/><BR/>I made my own On Notice Board--thanks for the link!Aghaveaghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966987919128347617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-36714616822395411872007-02-27T22:19:00.000-05:002007-02-27T22:19:00.000-05:00Yep Mo. And they scare the bejeezus outta me!Yep Mo. And they scare the bejeezus outta me!episcopalifemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092579249862725163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-63637126830053983602007-02-27T17:18:00.000-05:002007-02-27T17:18:00.000-05:00You hit the nail right on the head Eileen....it's ...You hit the nail right on the head Eileen....it's all about being comfortable with ambiguity.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, our different-strokes-for-different-folks world view allows for their existance (no matter how reprehensible) but their my-way-or-the-highway world view leaves no room for our existance. <BR/><BR/>Ironically, we probably have more reason to fear them than they have to fear us!Rev. Maureen Frescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307605570850598451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-18958687912527856622007-02-27T15:43:00.000-05:002007-02-27T15:43:00.000-05:00I dunno, Mystical. I wonder this myself sometimes,...I dunno, Mystical. I wonder this myself sometimes, regarding, conscience.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me, that, back in the day (waaaaaaay back), that these "stories" were told to bolster people. Bad things happened to them because they sinned, so, good things could happen to them if they were true and good. It allayed anxiety.<BR/><BR/>Same goes for war - if you "deserve" to win, you will win, and you ability to effect a victory is proof of your worthiness. If your opponent loses, it's because they didn't have God on their side - or they weren't chosen. Very tribal. Very primitive, IMO.<BR/><BR/>I personally feel that fundagelicals have strong psychological needs to allay anxiety - they need definitives and such, to know they are living in the "right" and how to avoid pain and punishment in this life. <BR/><BR/>I can't live this way - I can't reconcile my own morality with that kind of tribal thinking. But, they can't live with the ambiguity I feel quite comfortable with.episcopalifemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092579249862725163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-66499601242993263522007-02-27T14:50:00.000-05:002007-02-27T14:50:00.000-05:00I wish I was that talented Mike ;-)You can make yo...I wish I was that talented Mike ;-)<BR/>You can make your own Stephen Colbert On Notice list<BR/><A HREF="http://www.shipbrook.com/onnotice/" REL="nofollow">here</A>Rev. Maureen Frescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307605570850598451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-43109848716407677042007-02-27T14:47:00.000-05:002007-02-27T14:47:00.000-05:00Thanks for the link Eileen! :-)Of course it sounds...Thanks for the link <B>Eileen</B>! :-)<BR/>Of course it sounds perfectly logical to us that the Bible could not help but be influenced by the era/culture/prejudices etc. of it's writers. <BR/><BR/>The fundies would respond that God inspired the entire Bible and the authors wrote it down word for word as God dictated it. God also ensured that no scribal or translational errors occurred in the thousands of years since it was written. <BR/><BR/>What seems completely illogical to us seems perfectly reasonable to them.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't go as far as <B>mystical seeker</B> and call the other side "morally bankrupt" because I believe given their understanding of the Bible, God and Jesus' purpose, their viewpoint is valid. They believe in a judgmental, vindictive God, an infallible book, and a savior who died on a cross to ensure their own personal salvation. <BR/><BR/>This is not the Bible, God, or Jesus that I believe in, so as far as I'm concerned they're practicing an entirely different religion. <BR/>It works for them, it doesn't work for us. <BR/>The problem arrises when we try to exist in the same world with two entirely different interpretations of what that world should be.<BR/><BR/>...sigh...Rev. Maureen Frescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307605570850598451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-8569065364501004722007-02-27T13:07:00.000-05:002007-02-27T13:07:00.000-05:00Wow :)So did Mr. Colbert really call out the Angli...Wow :)<BR/><BR/>So did Mr. Colbert really call out the Anglican Primates? or is that a really nice photoshop job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-17594824298678042792007-02-27T13:04:00.000-05:002007-02-27T13:04:00.000-05:00Good point about everyone picking and choosing. T...Good point about everyone picking and choosing. The difference is that religious conservatives are so blinded by their dogmatism that they are unwilling to admit it to themselves. <BR/><BR/>I recently got into a discussion in the comments section of a blog posting about the genocide that is described in the book of Joshua. I've brought this up with religious conservatives on previous occasions, and they always say the same thing--they defend this depiction of divinely mandated ethnic cleansing and the massacre of men, women, children and even animals in Jericho and Ai as being perfectly compatible with their own moral sense of divine will. It is at this point that I begin to get really, really scared about just how dangerously morally bankrupt conservative Christianity really is. Sure, it's all a hypothetical discussion about events in a remote past that might not have even taken place. But there is nothing hypothetical about genocide taking place today. <BR/><BR/>The same applies to homophobia. It seems to me that a key difference between liberal faith and conservative faith is whether one really believes in God's inclusive, expansive love. I'm not sure which comes firt--all the biblical justifications for intolerance, or the intolerance itself. I was brought up a conservative Christian as a child and just couldn't reconcile it with my values. Do some conservatives just push their moral concerns to some compartmentalized section of their brains and not think about it? What is really going on here? Whence comes the hatred, really?Mystical Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828225180668865911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8818339587793011491.post-30180852950136383502007-02-27T06:50:00.000-05:002007-02-27T06:50:00.000-05:00Tell 'em Mo! Holler it!Leviticus. Ugh. I'd like to...Tell 'em Mo! Holler it!<BR/><BR/>Leviticus. Ugh. I'd like to see the book excised from the Bible myself, or at least taught strictly from the perspective of "Look how far we have come!"<BR/><BR/>I also agree with you about Paul, and his teachings.<BR/><BR/>Paul was a MAN. Not God.<BR/><BR/>Jesus wrote down nothing.<BR/><BR/>All written Gospel is Christ as experienced by man and men. Humans cannot be removed from the culture and context in which we live.<BR/><BR/>Excellent post. I shall link to it!episcopalifemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092579249862725163noreply@blogger.com